St Murn

Started by Bonny Story, January 11, 2017, 08:58:49

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Bonny Story

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b087tgvb#play

My expectation has been to see St Mirren kick on at some point and drag themselves out of the situation they are in, i had a view in my head that they had a new stadium, were full time their own training ground etc etc and as a result the level would show eventually.


Listening to this (first 30 mins) link though i am not so sure.

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AYRSHIRE_ANGUS

Any chance of summarising what was said?

Bonny Story

Quote from: AYRSHIRE_ANGUS on January 11, 2017, 11:31:53
Any chance of summarising what was said?

Chick Young was pressing Jack Ross around wither they would go part time, if they were relegated to which he gave no answer. Jack Ross spoke at length about the pressure they are under and also said he had doubts over certain players desire and wither it matches his desire to get out of it.

Then chick young spoke about conversations he had had with a director (which he named) and said that they had been forced to spend money repairing their training ground which they could ill afford, im sure the training ground is only 3 or 4 years old. Jack Ross then spoke about going into the crowd after the game against QoS to have an "amicable chat" with a disgruntled punter.

After this the guests in the studio (which included David Farrell, who was sacked as Assistant to Alex Rae) started going on about the ambitions of their board to get out of it, how the players they've released were quality players and they have serious doubts over their ability to reverse their fortunes. Its worth a listen if you have the time.

What surprised me is that this is all a departure from the media coverage theyv'e had up to this point which, particularly againstus, has been going along the lines of "too good to go down".

My thoughts are overwhelmingly that they can GIRU them.

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ghostofjimmysmith

I listened to an interview with Jack Ross/Chick Young driving to our game on Saturday and much of what was said here was brought up then. Also listened to what was said after the game against QOS and view is that they are in real trouble - specifically said that Ayr or Dumbarton were to get a run of two wins and a draw they doubt St Midden are good enough to match that run so could find themselves even more isolated.

Had we been able to turn a couple of our draws in December into wins we would most likely have had an insurmountable gap.

One thing they commented on after the game on the radio was that other than the group that barracked Jack Ross, there was no booing, almost like their is a sense of the support being resigned to their fate.

toepoker

January 11, 2017, 13:40:47 #4 Last Edit: January 11, 2017, 14:08:11 by toepoker
BetVictor are offering 8 to 1 Ayr to finish bottom of the Championship this year. I think that's quite generous. It would be a huge disappointment but a few pounds at 8 to 1 could take away some of the pain. New customers putting £10 on online can receive a £30 free bet if they use the correct link etc.

TonyH

They also spoke about the fan ownership being a big worry, the phrase ' built on balsa wood's was used.
ghostofjimmysmith mentions the fans being resigned to their fate, reading P&B it sounds like  thats true for a lot of them.

MarkG2018

I think they had the biggest crowd in the country on Saturday (we were second I think). It's a mighty fall from grace. Worth remembering, amidst our own concerns, that things could be worse.

red dug

Quote from: TonyH on January 11, 2017, 14:06:48
They also spoke about the fan ownership being a big worry, the phrase ' built on balsa wood's was used.
ghostofjimmysmith mentions the fans being resigned to their fate, reading P&B it sounds like  thats true for a lot of them.
Chick Young been talking about the fan ownership for a few weeks saying the same thing if they get fed up whole thing could collapse get it up them

ghostofjimmysmith

QuoteChick Young been talking about the fan ownership for a few weeks saying the same thing if they get fed up whole thing could collapse get it up them

Careful, many in the media think this is the only way the wee diddy clubs (ie non old firm, Edinburgh or Aberdeen) can survive.

Also many folk on her have this as their preferred alternative to Lachlan.

I think fan ownership/subscription works if you are on the up, but clearly big risks if you have a couple of bad seasons as St Mirren have had.

Bonny Story

January 12, 2017, 09:10:26 #9 Last Edit: January 12, 2017, 09:20:12 by Bonny Story
 Careful, many in the media think this is the only way the wee diddy clubs (ie non old firm, Edinburgh or Aberdeen) can survive. [/quote]

Think the Fan subsidy route is a far more viable option. Football fans are dreadfully fickle......http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10679744/fc-united-of-manchester-issues-cash-appeal-to-supporters-to-address-worrying-financial-position

If a club who's whole existence was meant to be about fan ownership cant make it work then its no surprise others are struggling.
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red dug

January 12, 2017, 10:10:12 #10 Last Edit: January 12, 2017, 10:15:28 by red dug
Quote from: ghostofjimmysmith on January 12, 2017, 08:03:13
QuoteChick Young been talking about the fan ownership for a few weeks saying the same thing if they get fed up whole thing could collapse get it up them

Careful, many in the media think this is the only way the wee diddy clubs (ie non old firm, Edinburgh or Aberdeen) can survive.

Also many folk on her have this as their preferred alternative to Lachlan.

I think fan ownership/subscription works if you are on the up, but clearly big risks if you have a couple of bad seasons as St Mirren have had.
Stirling have been under it a few years now so I suppose it's worked for them but they're just ploughing about the bottom 2 leagues,correct about the media talking of which the last game we played them coming back in the car radio on guy at the game all he could go on about was how disastrous St Mirren hadn't beaten us

D.Armour Appreciation Soc

St. Mirren's current position is not down to the fact they are under Community Ownership, it's down to multiple years of horrible managerial appointments.  ( Ring any bells )

Chick Young was against Community Ownership, because one of his pals had an offer in to preserve the old Status Quo of Private Ownership.

Fan/Community Ownership is usually the last port of call if a club is coming out of administration following a disastrous spell of Private Ownership.  IE Securing the Future of the Club, takes resources, and clubs inevitably go through a lean spell after suffering a trauma.

Bonny Story

January 19, 2017, 13:48:04 #12 Last Edit: January 19, 2017, 13:50:26 by Bonny Story
Another episode on SportSound last night. This time with Stewart Gilmour in the studio. Comment from Steven Thompson, Jim Goodwin and Ian Murray.

Car Crash stuff. Worth a listen.


Get popcorn.

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titus

St,mirren are sports sound love child.along with ex sevco wee baz ferguson.

ghostofjimmysmith

Said pre-season our best chance of staying up was someone else imploding off the pitch - hopefully going to be proven right.

A previous employer of mine, who are a third sector organisation with very, very strong ties to Paisley, tried to buy the stadium and the land from the club to run as a social enterprise and lease back to the club. This was under the previous ownership of the club. Was pretty close to a done deal however one major sticking point was that the club would no longer have in any say in how the surrounding land was used/developed - for example the plan was to put up buildings to host other social enterprises on parts of the car park. Waters were muddied as well by the haulier who was also interested in the club.


red dug

Quote from: titus on January 19, 2017, 16:17:42
St,mirren are sports sound love child.along with ex sevco wee baz ferguson.
Exactly,I said that earlier in this that day we were there they were gutted that they didn't beat us as for Ferguson why is he still in a job they must have a decent budget for that league

toepoker

Quote from: toepoker on January 11, 2017, 13:40:47
BetVictor are offering 8 to 1 Ayr to finish bottom of the Championship this year. I think that's quite generous. It would be a huge disappointment but a few pounds at 8 to 1 could take away some of the pain. New customers putting £10 on online can receive a £30 free bet if they use the correct link etc.

Not good news today, but some winnings can be collected by anyone who followed the above advice earlier this year.