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Ayr United Related Forums => AUFC Talk => Topic started by: shinglis on July 27, 2015, 01:50:34

Title: 500 Club.
Post by: shinglis on July 27, 2015, 01:50:34
This has been posted on the Somerset Road End Facebook group and I thought I would share here, to gauge additional interest & general discussion. Initial reaction on Facebook is positive.

QuoteOk fellow members how is this for an idea? I know we pay enough to get into the games etc , but what about a 500 hundred club ? Try to get 500 members that pay £5 pounds a month into clubs funds for players ? But think for that we should get a fan seat in the board. What's your thoughts ?
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Post by: Try6Place on July 27, 2015, 07:49:37
Reasonable idea, so long as we have the manager we trust.,as we do now.
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Post by: ayrG on July 27, 2015, 08:52:30
Good idea, not sure how easy it would be to carry out though. I would be happy to pay £5 a month though.
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Post by: titus on July 27, 2015, 15:58:17
Good idea,but the club will not entertain it.
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Post by: TonyH on July 27, 2015, 16:01:29
Great idea, I would definitely sign up for it.
Dunfermline have 1000 fans paying £20 a month, surely we could do something similar.
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Post by: Try6Place on July 27, 2015, 16:18:28
No wonder they can afford to throw silly wages. I'd be willing.
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Post by: Stan the Man on July 27, 2015, 17:09:24
Count me in.
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Post by: Morgan26 on July 27, 2015, 17:20:04
I would be up for that.
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Post by: Gazza on July 27, 2015, 18:14:24
I would be up for it but only if we got a representative on the board.
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Post by: Ken on July 27, 2015, 19:16:47
Put me down for this.
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: shinglis on July 28, 2015, 01:29:58
Quote,but the club will not entertain it.


Not sure they actually have a say, if the fans manage to organise and pull this off, I would assume the money would be donated to the club once collected and the club would treat it as a donation. Similar I guess to the manner in which the Somerset Boab fund is managed / handed over, the money is only handed over on the understanding it is direct to the player fund and not associated with general bills / running of the club.

There seems to be level of interest but will be interesting to see if it gets up & running.
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: David Castilla on July 28, 2015, 10:02:08
Quote from: shinglis on July 28, 2015, 01:29:58
Quote,but the club will not entertain it.


Not sure they actually have a say, if the fans manage to organise and pull this off, I would assume the money would be donated to the club once collected and the club would treat it as a donation. Similar I guess to the manner in which the Somerset Boab fund is managed / handed over, the money is only handed over on the understanding it is direct to the player fund and not associated with general bills / running of the club.

There seems to be level of interest but will be interesting to see if it gets up & running.


It's a great idea and one I had posted on the HP last season (not the same name but same concept) when McCall first signed on. However, I know at the moment with where the club are, it's not all as straight forward as settling up an account with the club and the money going to a player fund. The best idea is getting in touch with the club (which some have done possibly) and get a better idea.
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: D.Armour Appreciation Soc on July 28, 2015, 11:44:58
Quote from: Gazza on July 27, 2015, 18:14:24
I would be up for it but only if we got a representative on the board.


Would suggest additional Shares instead of Board Representation.  Board Representation is fraught with danger for the poor sod who has to fullfill that role.

Generally I'm happy with Player Fund donations for smaller ticket items in return for a bit of Fun, but when your talking about raising significant sums of cash, then there simply has to be a 'quid pro quo'

The fans currently own 51,900 shares, which equates to 2.4% and are held by The Honest Men Trust.
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Post by: ghostofjimmysmith on July 28, 2015, 13:01:51
I am led to believe that the problem with the Dunfermline scheme is that when they struggled last season some folks stopped paying to try and bring about change - the problem being that they had been using this money to pay decent wages so had some potential cash flow issues - we are a fickle lot so not sure this would work for us.

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Post by: albinoanaconda on July 29, 2015, 09:12:51
Quote from: ghostofjimmysmith on July 28, 2015, 13:01:51
I am led to believe that the problem with the Dunfermline scheme is that when they struggled last season some folks stopped paying to try and bring about change - the problem being that they had been using this money to pay decent wages so had some potential cash flow issues - we are a fickle lot so not sure this would work for us.


The solution to this being to only release money from the fund to the club once it has been accrued and the club operating on the basis of only spending money that they have.

I like the idea of supporters contributing to a fund that could a) supplement the club's income - not just to supplement the playing budget but for specified ground improvements or other capital projects; b) operate as an overdraft or borrowing facility (moving us away from a reliance on director's soft loans); and c) potentially even be used to 'buy' the club.

Did Saltire not try and establish something similar a few years ago? I remember a meeting at the Ayrshire and Galloway Hotel.

Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: shinglis on July 29, 2015, 10:01:03
QuoteDid Saltire not try and establish something similar a few years ago? I remember a meeting at the Ayrshire and Galloway Hotel.


ShAyr Utd - I think the main issue with that initiative was the aim was to buy shares in the club. Ultimately this fund may be able to fulfill that function but initially it has to supplement the player fund and then I guess depending on total of money raised agreement if fund could be used for specific updates to somerset etc.. so for example refresh or obtain a new somerset road end entrance sign / banner etc.

1st challenge will be getting this initiative started and getting some funds in the bank.

Should THMT get involve or assist to manage accounts ? If nothing else at least the accounts are audited every year so would add some re-assurance to the management / control of the money. On the flip side would not want to alienate anyone who may wish to donate but does not support or agree with THMT.

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Post by: albinoanaconda on July 29, 2015, 10:27:51
Quote from: shinglis on July 29, 2015, 10:01:03
QuoteDid Saltire not try and establish something similar a few years ago? I remember a meeting at the Ayrshire and Galloway Hotel.

1st challenge will be getting this initiative started and getting some funds in the bank.

Should THMT get involve or assist to manage accounts ? If nothing else at least the accounts are audited every year so would add some re-assurance to the management / control of the money. On the flip side would not want to alienate anyone who may wish to donate but does not support or agree with THMT.


The Ayr United Development Society might be a better vehicle for this.
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: TAFKAChino on July 29, 2015, 15:22:45
I'd be happy to support something like this, particularly being exiled.
It'd equate to basically one less pint a month here in London. Good for the club, good for me  :D 
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: ghostofjimmysmith on July 29, 2015, 16:40:22
Really no idea how this is going to work.

I was unaware of Ayr United Development Society - what does this do that the Trust does not - does this mean we have competing groups trying to do the "best for Ayr United".

If the money is only given to the club once accrued what will the rules of engagement be as to when it is paid to the club. Is it moneys given to the club at a certain point - ie start of each transfer window or is it available as the club requires it - for example last season when we needed a centre half?






Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: albinoanaconda on July 29, 2015, 21:31:19
Quote from: ghostofjimmysmith on July 29, 2015, 16:40:22
Really no idea how this is going to work.

I was unaware of Ayr United Development Society - what does this do that the Trust does not - does this mean we have competing groups trying to do the "best for Ayr United".

If the money is only given to the club once accrued what will the rules of engagement be as to when it is paid to the club. Is it moneys given to the club at a certain point - ie start of each transfer window or is it available as the club requires it - for example last season when we needed a centre half?


The Ayr United Development Society run the 5 Star Lottery. I suggested them as they already collect money from fans on a regular basis and pass it on to the club. I also suspect they have greater capacity for organising and managing something like this.

Regardless, what is required is a figurehead/leadership to take this forward - something I fear might be missing - and to iron out the details.
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Post by: The real jolly on July 29, 2015, 23:09:16
Sack the commercial manager and save 25k
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Post by: Try6Place on July 29, 2015, 23:35:17
Oh dear, Jolly
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: ghostofjimmysmith on July 30, 2015, 12:54:25
QuoteThe Ayr United Development Society run the 5 Star Lottery. I suggested them as they already collect money from fans on a regular basis and pass it on to the club. I also suspect they have greater capacity for organising and managing something like this.

Regardless, what is required is a figurehead/leadership to take this forward - something I fear might be missing - and to iron out the details.


So could we not all just pledge to pay and extra £5 to the lottery and no need for the figurehead!

Or rather is this about giving the club money for a defined purpose hence the need to segregate from 5 * lottery cash.

Similarly on another thread we are advocating cutting admissions prices by £5 - I appreciate this is to try and entice lapsed fans back - but on this thread wanting to give the club money on a regular basis.

Personally I would be willing to make a regular contribution to the club, as long as there was some indication that this was being used to improve facilities/playing staff, not servicing loans etc and I would not expect shares in return or board representation - pay back for me would hopefully be better players/facilities.

Not sure, but I think simple idea is being hijacked by others agendas - that of fan ownership/representation on the board.
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: Rorymac92 on July 30, 2015, 13:33:30
Tbh this is the first season in a while where there's not really been an indication that we're struggling financially for players. Fair play the likes of Dunfermline and Cowdenbeith probably have a higher budget but our signings are the best in the division on paper. For me, donations of this type should be put towards the upkeep and maintenance work at Somerset. Perhaps a seperate fund set up for this would be a more logical option as if some fans wish to stop paying after a few months the club aren't left up sh*t creek with player wages they can't afford. Plus it also means that our donations will be going towards more long term improvement by making Somerset a nicer place to visit.
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: Stan_Quinns_Boots on July 30, 2015, 20:10:53
I have already PM'd the originator of the 500 scheme and pledged money but I don't want anything to do with it if it's run by the TRUST!!
Title: Re: 500 Club.
Post by: shinglis on July 31, 2015, 04:30:53
QuotePM'd the originator of the 500 scheme


The originator on the FB group is looking for possible numbers, so if not already like the FB group and get in touch.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/somersetroadend/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/somersetroadend/)